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RE: Someone Shoot Me

Last time i checked the wrestlers themselves don't always have the final say in who wins. If you can prove to me that the undertaker was the main purpose for that finish then i'll consider looking at him in a different light. Until then, i give my respect to the phenom. sorry guys.

Showtime Steven James:)
 

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RE: Someone Shoot Me

Last time I checked, non-drawing has-beens are supposed to put over young hot talent, especially when three legends like Rock, Hogan, and Flair already put him over big. The Rock put his heart and soul into making Brock look good, and the very next night, HHH and UT used their political bullshit to make him look weak. Then at Unforgiven, UT continued that streak by barely selling for Brock and making him look like a chump. Even if UT didn't have a hand in it, the WWE has to be completely retarded to think that UT needs to be protected and keep his heat when he is absolutely useless at this point in his career. If they have a rematch and Brock detroys him, then it might be justified, but that ain't happening. Several websites are already reporting that UT refused to job and the finish was changed the day of the show in LA. If this is the case, UT needs to be fired, scaled back bigtime, or made to job to everyone available.
 

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RE: Someone Shoot Me

You missed the point, it doesnt matter if it's true or not. The point is that Undertaker should have been squashed, plain and simple, regardless if UT refused to job or Vince is still blindly high on him. Now shut up and RP..:)

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RE: Someone Shoot Me

honestly, i see ur point. and actually i agree that there should have been a pinfall. The ending sucked and yes, hogan, the rock, and ric flair have sold to lesnar, meaning that the ut should have done the same. so to an extent i agree with u, now if u'll excuse me i've gotta get back to that rp'ing. ttyl, bye:)

Showtime Steven James

p.s. if the rock wasn't going back to hollywood, would he have sold so well?
 

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Gotta Give Some Props

Ok i just want to quickly through out some props to some members of the WWE. Is it Vince? Undertaker? Angle? Edge? Everyone who participated in the TLC? Nope, this time around i'm giving my props to Kevin Dunn and the rest of the video staff (for lack of a better title).

Everytime there is a video that has to be made these people make an outstanding one. The farewell video for Mick Foley, the Desire Videos, the history of the WWE video with the Kris Rock song, and all of the tribute videos for Owen Hart, Yokozuna, Gorilla Monsoon, The British Bulldog, Lou Thez, and many more. The videos before pay per views that often feature classy freddy blassy. And now the tribute video for the intercontinental championship. These men and women are outstanding with what they are able to put together. They deserve all the credit in the world for what they have accomplished and i know that whenever they put together another video it will be just as great, although i do hope that i don't see a tribute video because personally, i don't like to see people die, especially the way that owen, bulldog, and yoko did. Oh yeah, by the way, does anybody else still get a little choked up whenever they see owen in a video? (for example the history of the wwf and the ic title video). Maybe it's just me. Anyways, i just wanted to get that off my chest because i felt that they deserved credit and i have a feeling i'm not alone on this issue. bye:)

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RE: Gotta Give Some Props

You're right. I always felt that way, especially after the Mick Foley tribute and the federation history videos.
 

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Some More Props

Ok. here we go. Listen i'm gonna say this so sit back and relax. I've gotta give props to the undertaker and brock lesnar because i believe that they put on a hell of a match. Everybody, including heyman, was beaten and bloodied and the ending made up for what happened last month. The undertaker did the clean pin to brock and judging by what people were saying last month that is the right thing to do. I personally felt the whole pay per view was good and that if they keep producing matches of this caliber they should have nothing to worry about. By the way, please refraim from the response "ok, so he's had 1 good match in like 100." I could already see that one coming.

In other news, when triple h came back from injury was it his goal to be boring? Here's the thing, before he would do his speech, bore the crowd, but then the rock would come out and everyone would be happy. The complimented each other very well. Well guess what? There's no rock so they've gotta do something. I was for the brand extension but damn would i love to see Lance Storm get into that whole Guerrero-Benoit-Angle thing on smackdown. Actually, i would love to see Storm vs. Triple H. That would be awesome.

The time is now for big show, lets not blow it.

Will Brock ever show his shooting star press?

If one phrase can be given to brock it's "right place, right time." Hogan, rock, and undertaker. They all put him over but then again, they were all leaving anyway.

Once his personal life is settled they need to bring back austin.

With Terry Taylor back i think the writing will get a little better.

Whoever goes to raw for big show better not be benoit, angle, or guerrero. It would be stupid and make no sense, but then again, that's never stopped them from doing something.

Triple H doing the scene of kane having sex with a dead katie vick was pointless and too long. A lot shorter and less graphic would have been nice.

When the undertaker comes back will he change his character again? (forget it, i don't want an answer because i'll get a he better not come back at all response)

I wonder if it's time to put the rosters together and if they did do that would adding about a half hour to raw and smackdown help compensate for a lot of wrestlers?

Michaels is coming back, thank god.

I wish Foley was behind him.

Although i'm confused on how michaels will come back. if he doesn't wrestle what's he gonna do? Do run ins every week?

Well that's it for now, ttyl, bye:)

Showtime Steven James
 

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RE: Some More Props

Brock will probably never ever use the shooting star press in WWE. While I would be awed at the site of someone as big as Brock doing a move like that(I know it is hard to be as big as that and as agile), I think it would be kinda awkward. Not only because Billy Kidman uses it, and it is his trademark, but because it's kind of out of character for him. He's a monster heel. He's supposed to crush you and make you beg for mercy without even having to go to the top rope. He should not have to use any glitzy moves to get a victory, just sheer POWER.
Also, it is my opinion Stone Cold may never come back to the WWE. Although I probably miss him as much as you, he left because he had disagreements with the company and how they treat his character. If he goes back, it may just be the same song and dance as before. If Austin ever goes back to wrestling, chances are he won't do it under McMahon's terms. But that's just my opinion.
I also agree about the whole Katie Vick scene. Frankly, I think the whole segment should have never happened. EVER. The idea should have been scrapped the minute anypone said it. Not only was it demeaning to all involved, and to the WWE as a whole, but will probably just speed up the ratings fall and bring more complaints just like the whole HLA ordeal did. It was pointless and stupid, just like the whole murder angle. Anyone else notice that several years ago Kane could barely talk, but now a decade ago he could drive and partied with chicks? Yeah...I bet the girls go crazy for the disfigured guys with the voice box.

"Heeeeeyyyyy bbbbaaaaaby...*bzzzt*...Iiiii losssst my
phooone numbeeer...
*bzzt*...Caaaaan I haaave yyyyyours?"

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"Life is what happens when you're making other plans"
-John Lennon
 

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RE: Some More Props

LOL. You're right. I thought Paul Bearer kept him locked in a basement for his whole childhood. But i must say the thing you said about picking up a girl with the voice box had me laughing out loud as indicated at the beginning of this paragraph. actually the more i think about it the more i think it's funny. lol

hey girls, bzzt going my way? bzzt.

Funny stuff dude.

Showtime Steven James
 

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An Answer

Lately i've found myself wondering why it is the wrestling fans of today want more wrestling. For the life of me i couldn't figure it out and honestly i still don't know. In the 80's people wanted wrestling, they wanted the 20 minute matches which consisted of 15 minutes of arm bars and leg locks. Fast forward to attitude and the people want entertainment, screw the wrestling we want promos!! We want monster trucks and beer trucks, and milk trucks, and pick up trucks, and cement trucks, and bulldozers, and limousines, and limousines that are turned into monster trucks. And now? They're giving entertainment but nobody's watching it. So what's wrong? My theory is that right now the people want a better mix of the two. They want the promos and what not but now they want wrestling. Wrestling???? Yes, wrestling. Remember? Does this mean they want 20 minutes of armbars? Hell NO!! But i believe what people want is what they're getting on smackdown. Angle and Benoit style matches. They're entertaining but have awesome matches. I think that angle and benoit and edge for that matter are slowly transforming the way people like their matches. Think about it, everytime they face off against each other who has the best match? Who has the match that everybody remembers? I'll tell you one thing, it has at least one of them in the match. Also, you can add Eddie Guerrero to that mix because honestly, when you're one of the top heals but get a standing ovation after a match, you know you're doing something right. So here's my take to Raw, Get out of the attitude era, move on, case and point, Smackdown.

Also, i think that raw was a pretty good show however what was with the crowd??? Maybe they should start giving them coffee to wake them up. I believe they had reasons to cheer, not to mention that when i pay 30-40 bucks for a ticket i'm gonna cheer. The raw brand does not deserve to have a silenced crowd. Smackdown's crowd is mostly hot so whatever they're doing raw better copy.

I'd like to give vince props for putting the bret hart anthology commercial up. i believe that that was a branch of communication to bret and hopefully they'll put the negative past behind them and concentrate on the positive past. Bret back on WWE tv, please let it happen, it needs to happen, I WANT IT TO HAPPEN!!!!

that's it for now, ttyl, bye:)

Showtime Steven James
 

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RE: An Answer

Yeah, what was with them being silent. You'd think with classic writing being acted out in front of them, they'd be more into it. I mean if I paid my hard earned money to watch the aftermath of some guy sexing up the dead, I'd be all into it!

Then again, I can't judge the rest of the show, because I haven't watched the WWF in years, but generally when a show is painfully stupid the fans aren't in the mood to cheer. But then again, what do they know. Instead of getting some vanilla midgets doing wrestling on some other show, they get giant blowhards who move incredibly slowly, perform incredible main event sleepers, and choke a whole lot. What's not to love? But I only have Scott Keith's rants to judge, I'm sure the main event sleeper is a lot more exciting when seen LIVE.
 

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It's Survey Time

Ok, here's a little survey. What do u guys think is the best announcing team of all time? Here are some choices:

J.R. and King
Cole and Tazz
Vince and Jesse Ventura
Vince and Macho Man
Gorilla Monsoon and Ventura
Monsoon and Heenan
Vince and Perfect
J.R. and Heyman
J.R. and Cole

Well those are some, and please spare me Schiavone and Madden...don't make me throw up. Personally i'm torn between Monsoon and Heenan and Monsoon and Ventura.

I'm really interested to see the responses, ttyl, bye:)
 

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RE: It's Survey Time

i'd say monsoon/heenan.

anyone w/ heenan would be good. i would have loved to have seen heenan/lawler/jr triple team.. well, pre-oversell everything Jr..

although im not sure anymore.. i havent watched wrestling wrestling on television in about 3 years now ... i try to get some updates but other than the occassional update about whose beating who i cant tell you anything thats happened in the past 3 years.. i cant even tell you the wwf (or is it e?) champions ...

oh well.. fantasy wrestling is more interesting anyway ;)

-sean
 

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RE: It's Survey Time

Of course this is WWF/E heavy, so I'll throw in some combos that kicked ass...

NWA
Tony Schiavone and Jim Ross: They didn't like each other, but when they got together to announce briefly in 1987-88 it was marvelous.

Tony Schiavone and Bob Caudle: Another good pairing.

Jim Ross and Bob Caudle: See Starrcade 88 for an announcing clinic.

And of course Gorilla and Bobby and Gorilla and Jesse were great too...

Pres. Scott
 

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RE: It's Survey Time

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Nov-17-02 AT 04:19 AM (EST)]Dear god, its disgusting to see any survey taken involving great wrestling announcers where Gordon Solie isn't even mentioned.

EDIT: And after watching the Benoit/Angle match, and whatever little WWF product I have seen in the last three years, I must say Michael Cole and Taz are the WORST announcing team I have ever heard. Cole simply doesn't know what he is doing, and the sound of Taz's voice combined with his terrible commentary makes it impossible for me to even watch a match of that caliber without hitting mute.

And let's not insult Tony Schiavone just because he was given crap to say by the higher ups in WCW. At his peak, he was a fantastic announcer, and at his worst he was much better than whatever the WWF is throwing out there today. Lawler has been awful ever since he hit puberty 3 years ago, and JR just talks about football. Mark Madden should just be shot dead, along with Vince Russo.
 

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RE: It's Survey Time

I had never heard Gordon Solie announce however i have heard nothing but positive things about him from jim ross (he's mentioned him a few times in his ross report). As for schiavone, honestly i had no problems with him. i don't think he was that bad, that was mostly a joke on my part and i apologize if it seemed like i was really serious.
As for cole and tazz, personally i like them, i don't think they're that bad but then again that's me.
lastly, i think vince was always underrated. i think he was a pretty good announcer, i know most will disagree but i think he was good.
By the way, i have to give jr props because he pulled off that ladder match all by himself a few weeks back and did pretty well.
well that's it for now, i thank everyone that has given to this survey and i hope to have a few more, bye:)

Showtime Steven James
 

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RE: It's Survey Time

I always got a kick out of Monsoon and Ventura. I think that Paul Heyman was a gifted and underrated announcer, but when paired with Jim Ross, there was no comic relief. Since JR and Heyman were both sort of serious, straight-man announcers, the heel-color flavor was lost.

I've always loved JR and the King, but JR has lost his stride in the last couple of years. He's still one of the best announcers ever, as far as I'm concerned, but he's past his prime.

I noticed that nobody's mentioned Joey Stiles. I've never heard him announce, but I've heard a lot about him. Was he any good?
 

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Why Not?

Just random things that popped into my head.

-I'm glad D'Lo is getting air time, i personally have always liked him.

-Although they make a great tag team i'm hoping that this will be a launching pad for both of them, a pad for christian to reach the upper talent and a pad for jericho to rejoin them. Also, i like the fact that when they break them up jericho can turn face, which i think he's better at, and he and christian can have a feud giving us matches that will take our breath away.

-Batista is definitely a guy you wouldn't want to face in a dark alley.

- I think for Wrestlemania there could be 3 main events. #1. Angle vs. Lesnar, #2. Triple H vs. Austin (if he returns), and #3. Big Show vs. Hogan (if he returns, and if he does can you say WM3?) However i think michaels will be thrown in there somewhere.

-Speaking of Michaels, he is simply F*CKING NUTS!!!!!

-Funaki, smackdown's NUMBER ONE announcer.

-Rico is has a way too good of character to waste hanging around the 3 minute warning.

-If anyone has any suggestions about my character Showtime Steven James let me know, i'm still new at this and trying to get better. Not to mention i don't want people getting ticked that they have to rp against me because they think i suck. suggestions are welcomed.

That's it for now, ttyl, bye:)

Showtime Steven James
 

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