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Ernie

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The best thing was the beginning. Hornet with the jet pack coming in to win. Then the reveal that Ivy was imagining it... Does Poison Ivy have dementia or am I reading too much into it? I was thinking the other day of giving Pat Gordon Sr. dementia but if Ivy has it maybe I'll hold off.

Matches were all solid and those segments for Melton really tugged at the old heart strings. I think I even had a tear in my eye. Poor Melton. :(

All in all tremendous effort and well worth the wait. I was really hoping for a Harmen win, but Flair vs. Strife made a great final.

I liked Dan Ryan's cameo in the beginning. I was enraged when he attacked Castor at the awards ceremony. Not in the way that I thought it was a bad idea, although I did have to ask Brunk about it since I don't follow NFW and didn't know they had been feuding there. Just like when someone does something ultra-heelish on TV and it makes you boo him.

I marked out when Atken won the IGC but I thought I remembered him pinning Max Hopper somehow at that previous IGC show. I'll need to look that up.

Would have done the highlight packages differently.

All in all this is still going to get a nomination from me for show of the year in December/January.
 

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The tournament as a whole was really fun and I just wish I'd had something left in the tank when I faced Ford in the Sweet 16. I felt as if his first RP left me an opening but then I just couldn't capitalize on it. Normally there's no shame losing to Ford, except I only posted one RP against him. It was just the best I could do at the time though.

It was great to finally be able to take part in an UltraTitle though and making it to the Sweet 16 is something I'm really proud of, especially considering the people I had to face to get there. And it's something I've been playing up with PGJr on twitter and I'll continue to do so wherever he goes. Also I'm keeping the scar he got from Jeffrey Roberts. That match was HELLA fun and that scar is going to be his badge of honor from beating the sociopath.

I think everyone who posted RPs and tried the best they could in this tournament should all be epically proud of themselves. This was probably the best tournament for me in my life. Now that it's over I can proudly point to it and say, "I made it to the Sweet 16."

Congrats to Ford, Billy, Pete, and Steve for all making it to the Final Four. Congrats to Billy for winning. Congrats to Colin for winning IGC. And to everyone involved, thanks for making this one of the best RP experiences of my life.
 

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I got to RP against three people I've been wanting to face for a long time, so to me, my draw in this tournament was kind of a dream come true. I know there were some bumps along the way in the tournament, a couple controversies, but those will always be there in RP tournaments. Besides, controversy sells, right?

I feel like I've gotten some good new friends from this.
 

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To be honest, I feel like everything that people have labeled as 'controversy' was simply a case of "I wanted the other guy to win," there wasn't anything overtly controversial about any of it. But that's just me.

Thanks for the feedback! More, more, more!

Also, I thought it was clear but the opening scene was Ivy having a dream. She was asleep, hence Sammy Benson's presence. Gordon can still have dementia.
 
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So, FEEDBAG:

- The best way to bring a fitting conclusion to a joke that has been steadily lowering itself into the ground is a dream sequence. Honestly, my first thought when you were dropping hints that people you'd asked to check the coding saw "Hornet wins" was the IGC final. Not sure why. I'm terribly paranoid in that way. Still, it was a rather cute end to a running joke.

- I'm a big fan on "how did we get here" intros and always appreciate the attempts to keep even new readers in the loop about the events that have brought us to the Ultratitle finale. So good jorb there.

- Y'know, I actually appreciated having everyone's themes there and ready. Sometimes I'm too lazy to seek out themes I don't know but I just plain didn't have an excuse here.

- I really felt that Harmen/Flair was tight in the RP thread. I mean obviously the ranked judging system leaves that a little bit topsy turvey but I think all three Ultratitle matches throughout the show met up suitably with the efforts that each individual had put into the big finale RP thread. I'll admit going into this show, this was the match I was most interested in (can't think why that would be). Pete, I'm going to repeat this no doubt, but the match was excellent. The pace built as it needed to and the split second pin really met up to the level of competition involved. This was kind of a feeling of nostalgia running throughout the show, justly so. So many nice moments bringing things around full circle. If I gush anymore at the moment though, I may vomit.

- Fun segment from Melton here. I don't know if I'm surprised or not by the Dan Ryan appearance, it certainly makes sense in the context. Still, another chance to build into the matches more and this certainly did that.

- The only Ultratitle match of the evening not to end in some kind of cradle. Felt that again, this matched how the RP thread was going. I think this match was kind of the odd one out in a way, the others seemed to have more of a steeped in history feel to 'em. Not that this takes anything away from the match, it doesn't, but it was something I noticed. Also the least brutal match, more of a head-on wrestling bout. It was interesting as these matches broke down, in both of the semis, you would have to err on the side of caution with skullduggery while that didn't seem to matter as much when we hit the final. This match felt, as did the segments building up, more of a farewell to Melton.

- P. sure I know who be that Reise guy! There are two ways I suppose you could look at that segment, one would be "why did this happen" and the other would be "hey, that's good promotion work for Bodycount". I'm more in the latter camp. I love tall dudes wrecking shit. One of the most basic booking principles in the rasslin'

- I think all the Melton segments were a well deserved build to a fitting farewell. I also learned more about the Troy Windham/Melton encounter than I probably ever needed to!

- Gotta commend the TSWF guys for this match. When you're trying to get your fed out there on the big stage on a show like this, read by lots of people cross-fed, I think it's far more sensible to do a match that is built around generating future interest in your storylines rather than just having a one-off moment. I feel their job getting involved in something like this is not really to have a blow-off but rather to gain new readers and really, a storyline driven, interference laden cage match seems like the perfect fit for a situation like that.

The board ate some of my feedback. From memory:

- I said earlier that going into the show I was really most interested in Flair/Harmen, I thought the finale would be cool but I wasn't sure if I would feel as invested in it. Castor and Ivy's interviews during the show done a hell of a job to develop and increase my interest. They really made Castor/Flair feel like a match a long time in waiting and something worth reading. Really it felt like Castor/Melton was the outsider as far as the Ultratitle matches went. It was more along the lines of your "I'm better than you off" than "history in the making". Castor/Flair by the end of the show certainly felt very far from that line of thought.

- I have on many occasions sang Voss' praises as a match writer, especially when it comes to all things IGC. He just does a wonderful job with it. If anyone was reading this match and thought like I did that it was an excellent match that done all the talent involved justice then you should really consider diving in to the next IGC show. You too could have your character involved in a great, great match. I honestly feel like Voss wants to make the IGC work and if he can deliver so highly on a stage like Survivalism, I think he deserves a few guys poking their noses in for the next show he runs.

- When I was talking to Voss while he was working on the match, he was very much undecided on a winner, I really don't think it was an easy decision for him, I'm honoured he chose me though. I've sang Ben's praises enough this week, I don't want to make him blush again but I don't know where or when but I'm very open to another Ocho/Atken affair.

- I did warn you I would praise you again Pete but Castor/Flair was one hell of a final. The match is what an Ultratitle match should've been, it was brutal, it was competitive, it was close, it had false finishes, it had LADIES~! Hell, it even had a good ole fashioned ring implosion. It really pushed the narrative that these guys were fighting for something that was meaningful to them, even causing them to build up respect for each other as the match developed. It just told a great story. I can't say much else. Now, much like Joey deserved his moment at the end of Castor/Melton, Flair certainly deserved his. It was interesting that with everything that happened, despite being the winner of some MAD CASH MONEY, Strife was the only one who really didn't have a "moment".

- I'm not sure where the end of the show is going but I'm certainly intrigued. I'm wondering if Ryan/Strife III will finally avoid the curse of the time limit draw. Certainly wasn't the kind of end to the Ultratitle I was expecting anyway. Perhaps that first round loss really did drive Dan Ryan insane, especially followed by a loss to Atken :D

- LINDSAY TROY. I WAS WARNED ABOUT THIS BEFORE!

Overall, Pete, awesome, awesome job. Obviously this ended up falling in your lap but you made sure that the Ultratitle was brought to a fitting conclusion and that everyone who put effort into RPing, judging, irish jigging... whatever they offered, that it didn't fall by the wayside and I'm sure everyone involved appreciates that.

Now obviously, I would love to see something like this happen again. The Ultratitle allows a lot of people to get involved, hell, I got involved as an outsider who missed sign ups and came back to FW just after the first round was rolling. Everything that was happening then allowed me to gain interest in feds, looking at places I'd never popped in to before and really I think it's a great tool to generate interest for all the FW feds and affiliates. The problem of course is you don't want to dive into it and have the whole thing fall on you again, so it's a tricky balance to get right.

Hooray!
 

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Thanks for the feedback, Colin, it is much appreciated.

Quick note on Castor vs. Melton and why it was so short: it was the last thing written. Merritt had volunteered to write it but he has had some legitimate personal stuff in the past week or so and I wanted the card to come out. As far as why that match was so short compared to Eli vs. Harmen, it was all due to the judging.

I'll speak in general terms because A: I'm at work and don't have the specifics, and B: it's up to the judges themselves over whether or not they want to talk specifically about their decisions.

So, I had asked the judges to rank the final four from 1 to 4, with 1 obviously being first. I also had a point system to help with any tiebreaking, so a first place vote got 4 points, second place got 3 points, third place got 2 points, and fourth place got 1 point.

The breakdown was as follows:

Castor Strife: 3 first place votes, 1 second place vote, 1 fourth place vote
Eli Flair: 1 first place vote, 2 second place votes, 2 third place votes.
Jack Harmen: 2 second place votes, 3 third place votes
Joey Melton: 1 first place vote, 4 last place votes

*Because I don't remember off the top of my head what order they came in on one ballot, but they were second and third respectively.

By the fourth ballot, Castor had three first place votes and Melton had three last place votes, so I knew that Castor was the overall winner. Eli and Harmen stayed pretty close until the end, though, and it was the single first place vote that Eli got that put him in the finals.

Also, the supplementary point system I was using gave the point totals as follows:

Castor: 16
Eli: 14
Harmen: 13
Melton: 8

By that rationale, it seemed clear to me that for the matches to reflect the votes, Jack vs. Eli should be brutal and close, while Castor vs. Melton could be a little more to the point.

If people are interested in more detail I'd be happy to go into it on EFG tonight.
 

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I just want to make an IGC-centric post first, as it was the match my character was involved in and the part of the card I was most emotionally invested in.

Voss is the man, you guys. He wrote a really, really good match - and it included my favorite commentator of all time, pain GRILLE. When WREX was in the works, I had discussed with him that intro as a way to spark an Ocho/GRILLE feud - I'm glad to see that was thrown in.

The match was really epic, and made Ocho and Atken look so good. I've PM'd him this sentiment, but Colin is fantastic and absolutely deserved to win, no matter what self-deprication he brings up about himself or about Atken. I love the kind of slowly-developing thing with Atken where, he's pinned Dan Ryan, he's the Intergalactic Champion, he got a pin in the last NFW card; is he really a loser anymore? What happens to a man who's been at the bottom of the barrel forever when he finds himself kicking all asses?

You better believe Ocho will be a part of IGC going forward, and I highly recommend that people sign up for it going forward. It's a very fun thing to be a part of, and Voss's product speaks for itself.
 

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Thanks for the VERY kind words re: TSWF and our showcase match. I hope it was somewhat successful in getting us some new readers ... and maybe a new handler or 2 in the future.

*Shaun*

So, FEEDBAG:

- The best way to bring a fitting conclusion to a joke that has been steadily lowering itself into the ground is a dream sequence. Honestly, my first thought when you were dropping hints that people you'd asked to check the coding saw "Hornet wins" was the IGC final. Not sure why. I'm terribly paranoid in that way. Still, it was a rather cute end to a running joke.

- I'm a big fan on "how did we get here" intros and always appreciate the attempts to keep even new readers in the loop about the events that have brought us to the Ultratitle finale. So good jorb there.

- Y'know, I actually appreciated having everyone's themes there and ready. Sometimes I'm too lazy to seek out themes I don't know but I just plain didn't have an excuse here.

- I really felt that Harmen/Flair was tight in the RP thread. I mean obviously the ranked judging system leaves that a little bit topsy turvey but I think all three Ultratitle matches throughout the show met up suitably with the efforts that each individual had put into the big finale RP thread. I'll admit going into this show, this was the match I was most interested in (can't think why that would be). Pete, I'm going to repeat this no doubt, but the match was excellent. The pace built as it needed to and the split second pin really met up to the level of competition involved. This was kind of a feeling of nostalgia running throughout the show, justly so. So many nice moments bringing things around full circle. If I gush anymore at the moment though, I may vomit.

- Fun segment from Melton here. I don't know if I'm surprised or not by the Dan Ryan appearance, it certainly makes sense in the context. Still, another chance to build into the matches more and this certainly did that.

- The only Ultratitle match of the evening not to end in some kind of cradle. Felt that again, this matched how the RP thread was going. I think this match was kind of the odd one out in a way, the others seemed to have more of a steeped in history feel to 'em. Not that this takes anything away from the match, it doesn't, but it was something I noticed. Also the least brutal match, more of a head-on wrestling bout. It was interesting as these matches broke down, in both of the semis, you would have to err on the side of caution with skullduggery while that didn't seem to matter as much when we hit the final. This match felt, as did the segments building up, more of a farewell to Melton.

- P. sure I know who be that Reise guy! There are two ways I suppose you could look at that segment, one would be "why did this happen" and the other would be "hey, that's good promotion work for Bodycount". I'm more in the latter camp. I love tall dudes wrecking shit. One of the most basic booking principles in the rasslin'

- I think all the Melton segments were a well deserved build to a fitting farewell. I also learned more about the Troy Windham/Melton encounter than I probably ever needed to!

- Gotta commend the TSWF guys for this match. When you're trying to get your fed out there on the big stage on a show like this, read by lots of people cross-fed, I think it's far more sensible to do a match that is built around generating future interest in your storylines rather than just having a one-off moment. I feel their job getting involved in something like this is not really to have a blow-off but rather to gain new readers and really, a storyline driven, interference laden cage match seems like the perfect fit for a situation like that.

The board ate some of my feedback. From memory:

- I said earlier that going into the show I was really most interested in Flair/Harmen, I thought the finale would be cool but I wasn't sure if I would feel as invested in it. Castor and Ivy's interviews during the show done a hell of a job to develop and increase my interest. They really made Castor/Flair feel like a match a long time in waiting and something worth reading. Really it felt like Castor/Melton was the outsider as far as the Ultratitle matches went. It was more along the lines of your "I'm better than you off" than "history in the making". Castor/Flair by the end of the show certainly felt very far from that line of thought.

- I have on many occasions sang Voss' praises as a match writer, especially when it comes to all things IGC. He just does a wonderful job with it. If anyone was reading this match and thought like I did that it was an excellent match that done all the talent involved justice then you should really consider diving in to the next IGC show. You too could have your character involved in a great, great match. I honestly feel like Voss wants to make the IGC work and if he can deliver so highly on a stage like Survivalism, I think he deserves a few guys poking their noses in for the next show he runs.

- When I was talking to Voss while he was working on the match, he was very much undecided on a winner, I really don't think it was an easy decision for him, I'm honoured he chose me though. I've sang Ben's praises enough this week, I don't want to make him blush again but I don't know where or when but I'm very open to another Ocho/Atken affair.

- I did warn you I would praise you again Pete but Castor/Flair was one hell of a final. The match is what an Ultratitle match should've been, it was brutal, it was competitive, it was close, it had false finishes, it had LADIES~! Hell, it even had a good ole fashioned ring implosion. It really pushed the narrative that these guys were fighting for something that was meaningful to them, even causing them to build up respect for each other as the match developed. It just told a great story. I can't say much else. Now, much like Joey deserved his moment at the end of Castor/Melton, Flair certainly deserved his. It was interesting that with everything that happened, despite being the winner of some MAD CASH MONEY, Strife was the only one who really didn't have a "moment".

- I'm not sure where the end of the show is going but I'm certainly intrigued. I'm wondering if Ryan/Strife III will finally avoid the curse of the time limit draw. Certainly wasn't the kind of end to the Ultratitle I was expecting anyway. Perhaps that first round loss really did drive Dan Ryan insane, especially followed by a loss to Atken :D

- LINDSAY TROY. I WAS WARNED ABOUT THIS BEFORE!

Overall, Pete, awesome, awesome job. Obviously this ended up falling in your lap but you made sure that the Ultratitle was brought to a fitting conclusion and that everyone who put effort into RPing, judging, irish jigging... whatever they offered, that it didn't fall by the wayside and I'm sure everyone involved appreciates that.

Now obviously, I would love to see something like this happen again. The Ultratitle allows a lot of people to get involved, hell, I got involved as an outsider who missed sign ups and came back to FW just after the first round was rolling. Everything that was happening then allowed me to gain interest in feds, looking at places I'd never popped in to before and really I think it's a great tool to generate interest for all the FW feds and affiliates. The problem of course is you don't want to dive into it and have the whole thing fall on you again, so it's a tricky balance to get right.

Hooray!
 

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Just want to say it was an honor to compete with/write against three of the best who ever did it: Pete, Steve, and Ford. I think that thread will go down as one of the all time great RP battles. You guys brought the best out of me!

Overall, the tournament finished within the calendar year, before Winter, which I think is a success in and of itself. Obviously I had issues with certain things, some others did as well, but it's not easy to pull off a tournament of this magnitude. Big props to Pete for stepping in and seeing this thing to it's conclusion.

Waitin' on that Merritt money now!
 

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