Damien
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Alright guys it’s that time again, you know, the one where Justin and Jeff ask for feedback, two people say something as unhelpful as “I liked it”, one person gives back something constructive and the rest of us sit there in silence because we’re all lazy fucks.
That time.
Well, I’m going to get the ball rolling this time, purely so as I’m not accused of being a lazy fuck.
I guess I’ll also be doing this in part because Jeff stayed up until 6am to get the show out. I’ll try to ignore any ordering problems based on that simple fact.
I’m going to give you fair warning. Here be spoilers. Also, here be my actual thoughts as I read the show for the first time. I don’t know what’s going to happen, I don’t know any bar 2 of the results. I’m not going to hold back, if there’s something I like I’ll let you know, if there’s something I don’t, guess what?
Correct, I’ll let you know.
Just so you know, I’ll be going through the show segment by segment noting my thoughts as they come to me. But I’ll start with some pre show thoughts:
Before Reading:
I’ve been waiting for this for fucking ever. I know Sandy happened and that fucking sucks for a lot of our handlers and friends, but the RP period for this show ended two weeks before Sandy, didn’t it? Couldn’t we have gotten our shit together a fuck lot sooner so that this delay never happened?
Either way, I hope it’s worth the wait. We’ve been building to this exact show for over a year now. Ever since Justin came to me on AIM and said “A points based league where everything is fast and furious.”
Well, it’s not really been fast and furious, and the points were more of a headache than anyone could have imagined, but it’s been fun I think. We’ve seen fantastic work from most people, we’ve seen no work from some people, and we’ve seen over 40 characters come and go over the season.
I’m going to congratulate the finalists right now on making it to the final 4. I know I’m included in that list, but I’ll still give myself a pat on the back. I’m glad I made the final four, and of course I want to win the whole thing, but if I don’t, if I don’t even make the final, I’m pleased to still be in the running at the close.
Opening Segment:
Nice way to briefly recap the final 4’s time in the league and let people who might be reading their first Defiance show who exactly are still competing. Reminds me a little of TNA’s opening videos with their usual voiceover guy.
Opening Commentary:
Run down of the matches for the show, pretty standard stuff. Not sure what to say about this.
Dentari/Christenson:
- Match starts exactly how I’d imagine, with Dentari wanting to beat the everloving crap out of Heidi. This thing couldn’t start as a wrestling match, that just wouldn’t have made sense.
- I never thought how difficult it would be for anyone to write a match with the gorillas at ringside without actually naming them. I mean, they have names, but I’ve not given that information to anyone yet. I was planning on properly introducing them at 3.0 ep 1, but we’ll see what happens.
- Gorillas getting involved, nice. Win by countout? Nice.
-Heidi getting back in the ring? Not nice.
- If Dentari isn’t going to retaliate to these low blows with a cunt-punt then I don’t know what’s going to happen.
- Dentari hits his finisher, covers, and pulls Heidi up? 1) Does this tournament mean nothing to him? 2) I don’t like what that foreshadows.
- Oh, Dentari’s MDK finisher, awesome. I’ll take my place in the winner’s circle now, shall I?
- Oh...
- I knew I didn’t like where that was going.
- Right now Dentari should be kicking Mark Shields’ head off of his shoulders, then all the way up the ramp like a soccer ball. Instead he’s asking for a replay?
- Didn’t the bell ring? Wasn’t the match over? How could Dentari be disqualified when the match wasn’t actually happening? I seem to remember something a little similar to this (although very different) between Cena/Miz/Rock at Wrestlemania 27, where the match was restarted after The Rock gave Cena a Rock Bottom. Something big has GOT to happen with Shields here to make this make more sense.
Congratulations to Renee. I’m not going to lie, I thought I’d done enough to make the final, Maybe not win the whole thing, but make the final at least. I’m a lot more disappointed than I thought I’d be, but then again, I now know that I’m not going to win something I’ve worked for for over a year. I’d love to know what you guys thought of my RPs or if there was a particular reason why I didn’t make it to the final.
STJ/Sawyer Seg:
- I’ll ignore the formatting errors.
- I know a segment that’s coming up later that makes me hella excited for the Sawyer/Turner combo.
- If Chris didn’t write STJ for this then I wouldn’t know. I know Chris has been out of action for several reasons lately, which is why I question it. I chuckled a couple of times, especially at the “Uh, I gots no clue whatcha jus said. I thank ya said ya wants me ta help ya fight tha bad, but, uh, I ain't sure. If'n ya does needs some help ta fight bad peoples, I'll help ya.” Line. I could just picture the entire arena sitting there in silence trying to work out what STJ said.
Borchard/Sullivan:
- I wrote this match. Borchard is fun to write as well. Maybe it’s because I could get away with just having him slam the crap out of James ‘No Show’ Sullivan.
Dewey/Sawyer Seg:
- I had a hand in this, but Kevin did the leg work. Dude is such an asset to any fed and I’m glad he’s back here.
Laliberte/Barton:
- I like Christopher Barton’s micro because he has a beard. Micros with beards look completely different to those that don’t.
- A quick win from Barton, not much to note from the match, but I enjoyed the little post match beat down. And when I say beat down I mean German into the turnbuckle.
Moral Majority Segment:
- Let me preface this by saying I love Bronson Box.
- She’s not been around long but I like this Quell woman. She comes across as a bit like Bronson Box, only more feminine and probably a little more socially adjusted.
- I can just imagine Box and Quell going at it like Simon and that chick in Die Hard With A Vengeance. I don’t really want to, but I can.
- Awesome end.
Goldman Pleads to Evo Seg:
- Dentari had better not help Heidi. As god is my witness if Dentari lifts a finger to help anyone but himself in the final I’ll... Well, I won’t quit, but I’ll be really, really pissy for the next... however long until the next show comes out.
- Until last week Heidi was going to completely fuck up Goldman’s chances of winning this. I’d have thought this segment would make a lot more sense if Heidi wasn’t there and Goldman was just telling everyone on Evo that he wants her to win.
- Maybe it’s just me wanting to give Alceo the spotlight, but I’d have had Dentari make a dramatic entrance half way through, make someone stop talking when he enters. That’d have had a lot more effect than just having him standing around in the same room with the woman that just cheated him out of the final and the man that he’e been having serious problems with for the last few weeks.
Moral Majority/Sloan and Penn:
- Does Quimbey sound like Howard Finkle? Because that’s how I reads him.
- We like altering matches half way through these days don’t we? The WarGames teams, this one... Ok, so there’s been two, but still...
- I’m looking forward to seeing more from Evan in regards to Quell.
- This match, despite only being a trios match for a limited time, shows me that we’re going to have one hell of a trios division on the reboot. With MM, Sloan/Penn/Burke, Dentari and his guys to name a few.
Moral Majority/Sloan and Penn:
- Wait, what?
Light/St Sure:
- Last time we saw these two go at it, it was fantastic. I’m not expecting that kind of match again, especially as this is just the middle of the show. And that’s nothing about the writer’s ability, more I’d imagine them being told, “don’t kill yourself over it.”
- I don’t know what to say about this one. It’s solidly written, but...
- And there’s the finish, Kort and Jones making sure Light and St. Sure aren’t 100% for the final.
I was fully expecting this match to have a winner. But I thought it would be the person that ultimately didn’t win the final. It kind of makes me question ‘why have the match, why not just have them both attacked backstage?’
Post Match Shenanigans:
- Ok, I can buy Dentari attacking Light and St. Sure. I won’t complain about that.
- So many people so quickly!
-Wait, Heidi attacks Kort? Wasn’t he out there to help her by attacking Light and St. Sure? I know they’ve had their problems, but is Heidi mental?
Oh, again..:
Cancer Jiles/Dragon Jones:
- Ok, I’m at work right now and I’m getting behind. I’m going to skip this match because I can see it’s fucking long, but I’ll come back to it later tonight.
Jiles/Raptop Seg:
- Cancer Jiles is going bye byes. Does that mean he’ll play a major part in the final? It usually does on a wrestling show.
White/Kort:
- So, wait, did Kort get KTFO by Heidi not that long ago or not?
- I’ve been waiting for Eddy White pay somebody to fight for him. It’s a shame I don’t know who this is that he’s brought in.
- I’m missing the commentary in this one. I never thought that it would stand out so soon, but it has.
- White takes the fall in fitting fashion. The show so far is coming off a little overbooked, kind of like a TNA PPV. There’s not been many clear cut, clean finishes. Especially not in the ‘BIG’ matches.
I really, really hope the final ends clean.
Buy Our Shit:
- If I was in advertising I’d tell it like it is. “The new McDonalds burger, it goes in your face and comes out your ass an hour later.” I’d still buy that shit.
Sawyer/YAZ:
- I wrote this and I like this.
Sawyer/YAZ:
- I know I said I like this, but I didn’t need to read it twice.
The Final:
- Same deal as Jiles/Jones here. I promise I’ll read and properly feedback later tonight. Right now I’m going to skip to the end because I need to know who wins.
Congratulations Brian.
I’ll be honest, the right person won this thing. Brian does a fantastic job writing Light and he thoroughly deserves the title.
Dane/Goldman:
- I don’t think I should read this without reading the final. I spotted Dentari’s name while scrolling through the final which makes me think I really need to read that before this. Promise, I’ll do that tonight as well.
I will say though, that I’ve read the very, very end, and... well... I’m not entirely happy with it.
This event should have ended with Christian Light, hands raised in victory. Not unconscious on the mat as the person that he pinned holds their hands up. That’s just taking a squat over everything that 30+ handlers have worked for over the last year and shitting right on it.
Ok, it might not be quite that bad, but that’s my initial feelings.
Also, Christian Light should be World Champion right now. That’s what the ultimate prize should have been. The moniker of Master of Wrestling as well as being crowned the world champion.
All in all, the show was good. Over booked at times, confusing at others, but good none the less. There’s plenty of questions that need answering on 3.0 and loads of people that are going to have to settle into the card somewhere now that we’re headed back to a clear hierarchical system with an upper, mid and lower card. And we’re fucking stacked with Brian, Renee, Kevin, Lee, Evan and many, many more that could viably at any point be placed in the main event picture.
I think that was part of the reason I was looking forward to this show so much. Because it signalled the end of the league and the beginning of Def 3.0, which should be completely, 100% amazing.
That time.
Well, I’m going to get the ball rolling this time, purely so as I’m not accused of being a lazy fuck.
I guess I’ll also be doing this in part because Jeff stayed up until 6am to get the show out. I’ll try to ignore any ordering problems based on that simple fact.
I’m going to give you fair warning. Here be spoilers. Also, here be my actual thoughts as I read the show for the first time. I don’t know what’s going to happen, I don’t know any bar 2 of the results. I’m not going to hold back, if there’s something I like I’ll let you know, if there’s something I don’t, guess what?
Correct, I’ll let you know.
Just so you know, I’ll be going through the show segment by segment noting my thoughts as they come to me. But I’ll start with some pre show thoughts:
Before Reading:
I’ve been waiting for this for fucking ever. I know Sandy happened and that fucking sucks for a lot of our handlers and friends, but the RP period for this show ended two weeks before Sandy, didn’t it? Couldn’t we have gotten our shit together a fuck lot sooner so that this delay never happened?
Either way, I hope it’s worth the wait. We’ve been building to this exact show for over a year now. Ever since Justin came to me on AIM and said “A points based league where everything is fast and furious.”
Well, it’s not really been fast and furious, and the points were more of a headache than anyone could have imagined, but it’s been fun I think. We’ve seen fantastic work from most people, we’ve seen no work from some people, and we’ve seen over 40 characters come and go over the season.
I’m going to congratulate the finalists right now on making it to the final 4. I know I’m included in that list, but I’ll still give myself a pat on the back. I’m glad I made the final four, and of course I want to win the whole thing, but if I don’t, if I don’t even make the final, I’m pleased to still be in the running at the close.
Opening Segment:
Nice way to briefly recap the final 4’s time in the league and let people who might be reading their first Defiance show who exactly are still competing. Reminds me a little of TNA’s opening videos with their usual voiceover guy.
Opening Commentary:
Run down of the matches for the show, pretty standard stuff. Not sure what to say about this.
Dentari/Christenson:
- Match starts exactly how I’d imagine, with Dentari wanting to beat the everloving crap out of Heidi. This thing couldn’t start as a wrestling match, that just wouldn’t have made sense.
- I never thought how difficult it would be for anyone to write a match with the gorillas at ringside without actually naming them. I mean, they have names, but I’ve not given that information to anyone yet. I was planning on properly introducing them at 3.0 ep 1, but we’ll see what happens.
- Gorillas getting involved, nice. Win by countout? Nice.
-Heidi getting back in the ring? Not nice.
- If Dentari isn’t going to retaliate to these low blows with a cunt-punt then I don’t know what’s going to happen.
- Dentari hits his finisher, covers, and pulls Heidi up? 1) Does this tournament mean nothing to him? 2) I don’t like what that foreshadows.
- Oh, Dentari’s MDK finisher, awesome. I’ll take my place in the winner’s circle now, shall I?
- Oh...
- I knew I didn’t like where that was going.
- Right now Dentari should be kicking Mark Shields’ head off of his shoulders, then all the way up the ramp like a soccer ball. Instead he’s asking for a replay?
- Didn’t the bell ring? Wasn’t the match over? How could Dentari be disqualified when the match wasn’t actually happening? I seem to remember something a little similar to this (although very different) between Cena/Miz/Rock at Wrestlemania 27, where the match was restarted after The Rock gave Cena a Rock Bottom. Something big has GOT to happen with Shields here to make this make more sense.
Congratulations to Renee. I’m not going to lie, I thought I’d done enough to make the final, Maybe not win the whole thing, but make the final at least. I’m a lot more disappointed than I thought I’d be, but then again, I now know that I’m not going to win something I’ve worked for for over a year. I’d love to know what you guys thought of my RPs or if there was a particular reason why I didn’t make it to the final.
STJ/Sawyer Seg:
- I’ll ignore the formatting errors.
- I know a segment that’s coming up later that makes me hella excited for the Sawyer/Turner combo.
- If Chris didn’t write STJ for this then I wouldn’t know. I know Chris has been out of action for several reasons lately, which is why I question it. I chuckled a couple of times, especially at the “Uh, I gots no clue whatcha jus said. I thank ya said ya wants me ta help ya fight tha bad, but, uh, I ain't sure. If'n ya does needs some help ta fight bad peoples, I'll help ya.” Line. I could just picture the entire arena sitting there in silence trying to work out what STJ said.
Borchard/Sullivan:
- I wrote this match. Borchard is fun to write as well. Maybe it’s because I could get away with just having him slam the crap out of James ‘No Show’ Sullivan.
Dewey/Sawyer Seg:
- I had a hand in this, but Kevin did the leg work. Dude is such an asset to any fed and I’m glad he’s back here.
Laliberte/Barton:
- I like Christopher Barton’s micro because he has a beard. Micros with beards look completely different to those that don’t.
- A quick win from Barton, not much to note from the match, but I enjoyed the little post match beat down. And when I say beat down I mean German into the turnbuckle.
Moral Majority Segment:
- Let me preface this by saying I love Bronson Box.
- She’s not been around long but I like this Quell woman. She comes across as a bit like Bronson Box, only more feminine and probably a little more socially adjusted.
- I can just imagine Box and Quell going at it like Simon and that chick in Die Hard With A Vengeance. I don’t really want to, but I can.
- Awesome end.
Goldman Pleads to Evo Seg:
- Dentari had better not help Heidi. As god is my witness if Dentari lifts a finger to help anyone but himself in the final I’ll... Well, I won’t quit, but I’ll be really, really pissy for the next... however long until the next show comes out.
- Until last week Heidi was going to completely fuck up Goldman’s chances of winning this. I’d have thought this segment would make a lot more sense if Heidi wasn’t there and Goldman was just telling everyone on Evo that he wants her to win.
- Maybe it’s just me wanting to give Alceo the spotlight, but I’d have had Dentari make a dramatic entrance half way through, make someone stop talking when he enters. That’d have had a lot more effect than just having him standing around in the same room with the woman that just cheated him out of the final and the man that he’e been having serious problems with for the last few weeks.
Moral Majority/Sloan and Penn:
- Does Quimbey sound like Howard Finkle? Because that’s how I reads him.
- We like altering matches half way through these days don’t we? The WarGames teams, this one... Ok, so there’s been two, but still...
- I’m looking forward to seeing more from Evan in regards to Quell.
- This match, despite only being a trios match for a limited time, shows me that we’re going to have one hell of a trios division on the reboot. With MM, Sloan/Penn/Burke, Dentari and his guys to name a few.
Moral Majority/Sloan and Penn:
- Wait, what?
Light/St Sure:
- Last time we saw these two go at it, it was fantastic. I’m not expecting that kind of match again, especially as this is just the middle of the show. And that’s nothing about the writer’s ability, more I’d imagine them being told, “don’t kill yourself over it.”
- I don’t know what to say about this one. It’s solidly written, but...
- And there’s the finish, Kort and Jones making sure Light and St. Sure aren’t 100% for the final.
I was fully expecting this match to have a winner. But I thought it would be the person that ultimately didn’t win the final. It kind of makes me question ‘why have the match, why not just have them both attacked backstage?’
Post Match Shenanigans:
- Ok, I can buy Dentari attacking Light and St. Sure. I won’t complain about that.
- So many people so quickly!
-Wait, Heidi attacks Kort? Wasn’t he out there to help her by attacking Light and St. Sure? I know they’ve had their problems, but is Heidi mental?
Oh, again..:
Cancer Jiles/Dragon Jones:
- Ok, I’m at work right now and I’m getting behind. I’m going to skip this match because I can see it’s fucking long, but I’ll come back to it later tonight.
Jiles/Raptop Seg:
- Cancer Jiles is going bye byes. Does that mean he’ll play a major part in the final? It usually does on a wrestling show.
White/Kort:
- So, wait, did Kort get KTFO by Heidi not that long ago or not?
- I’ve been waiting for Eddy White pay somebody to fight for him. It’s a shame I don’t know who this is that he’s brought in.
- I’m missing the commentary in this one. I never thought that it would stand out so soon, but it has.
- White takes the fall in fitting fashion. The show so far is coming off a little overbooked, kind of like a TNA PPV. There’s not been many clear cut, clean finishes. Especially not in the ‘BIG’ matches.
I really, really hope the final ends clean.
Buy Our Shit:
- If I was in advertising I’d tell it like it is. “The new McDonalds burger, it goes in your face and comes out your ass an hour later.” I’d still buy that shit.
Sawyer/YAZ:
- I wrote this and I like this.
Sawyer/YAZ:
- I know I said I like this, but I didn’t need to read it twice.
The Final:
- Same deal as Jiles/Jones here. I promise I’ll read and properly feedback later tonight. Right now I’m going to skip to the end because I need to know who wins.
Congratulations Brian.
I’ll be honest, the right person won this thing. Brian does a fantastic job writing Light and he thoroughly deserves the title.
Dane/Goldman:
- I don’t think I should read this without reading the final. I spotted Dentari’s name while scrolling through the final which makes me think I really need to read that before this. Promise, I’ll do that tonight as well.
I will say though, that I’ve read the very, very end, and... well... I’m not entirely happy with it.
This event should have ended with Christian Light, hands raised in victory. Not unconscious on the mat as the person that he pinned holds their hands up. That’s just taking a squat over everything that 30+ handlers have worked for over the last year and shitting right on it.
Ok, it might not be quite that bad, but that’s my initial feelings.
Also, Christian Light should be World Champion right now. That’s what the ultimate prize should have been. The moniker of Master of Wrestling as well as being crowned the world champion.
All in all, the show was good. Over booked at times, confusing at others, but good none the less. There’s plenty of questions that need answering on 3.0 and loads of people that are going to have to settle into the card somewhere now that we’re headed back to a clear hierarchical system with an upper, mid and lower card. And we’re fucking stacked with Brian, Renee, Kevin, Lee, Evan and many, many more that could viably at any point be placed in the main event picture.
I think that was part of the reason I was looking forward to this show so much. Because it signalled the end of the league and the beginning of Def 3.0, which should be completely, 100% amazing.