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FWC Feds Suck At...

True Life

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The question is: what do FWC feds suck at compared to other big feds on the internet?

For me 1 big point must be that they don't keep their websites fresh, I think there's maybe only 1 or 2 FWC feds who have a nice website and as well update it regularly. I think it's a big minus.

And maybe except again 1 or 2 feds majority of the rosters look the same. Which FWC fed has been "kept clean" from John Doe, Adam Benjamin, Max Chandler and as likes? lol It's like you see all the main characters in every FWC fed.
 

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I don't think we suck at anything, although I'm sure some would say that our overall OOC discussion atmosphere is really quiet as compared to EWN and PTC. But that keeps spamming down and I'm more than fine with it.

There are some people who have the experience to code and put together a website, and others don't. Katz is great at it, and I think he's done a great job with NFW's and EPW's website. As far as updating goes...yeah, sure, some fed's websites could be updated on a more timely basis. But y'know something? Joining a fed based on their website and their website's updating schedule is LAME to begin with.

We're a community, and as a community a lot of the same people/characters are going to be found across the circuit-wide feds. FW doesn't have an exclusivity policy like most of PTC does and I'm not going to debate on whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. I don't really see what the big deal is as long as everyone's active and contributing. If any of the fedheads have a problem with it, then it's their choice to make their feds exclusive. No one's chosen to do that.
 

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Wow, who invited the lawyer? lol Every coin has two sides and I'm 100% sure there are things people don't like or think could be better about FWC feds. I was not attempting to bash FWC, but rather to start a (maybe constructive) discussion. No reason to get your panties all the way up.

I don't think it's stupid to judge a fed by his website, as long as it's not the only thing you take under consideration.
 

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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a fed to have an actively updated website.

The amount of discussion is pretty poor here. I'm sure by and large it's like that on EWN now, etc, but everybody surfs...we read posts...but mostly never respond to anything.

TEAM's supershow challenge thread was the first post I've seen in a while that actually drew a response.

I'd love to see more feedback given on the boards.
 

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True Life said:
Wow, who invited the lawyer? ... No reason to get your panties all the way up.

You asked a question. I answered it. You wanted discussion, I'm generating it. No need to get snarky, really.

True Life said:
I don't think it's stupid to judge a fed by his website, as long as it's not the only thing you take under consideration.

I agree that there are two sides to every coin, but I don't think having a website and updating it continuously should be a condition for joining. Would it be nice, like Steve said? Sure. But Paul Miller has never had a website for WFW as far as I know, yet has had people still apply. EPW's website hasn't been updated in a bit, yet Brunk still gets applications. Not every fed has poser artists, either. I know you didn't mention that specifically but that segues into my next point. If someone is applying to a fed based on the website and artwork, and not on the quality of "competition" or the strength of the roster, or a fedhead's reputation, etc., then I think there's a question about priorities. Are you doing this to have fun or to be a part of a fed that does a lot of pretty design?

Maybe card turnaround is a valid topic of discussion as it pertains to your topic, but I like to think that we're a pretty laid-back community here that doesn't get up in arms when a card is late. Handlers still stick with the feds they're in even if a card is a month late, three months late, etc. I think that's a positive thing about FWC, that we all realize that this is a hobby and don't break out the torches and pitchforks if a card doesn't go up on time.

As far as EWN goes, there's a lot of spamming and a lot of immaturity on those boards, in my opinion. It's much more a discussion board than a fantasy wrestling hub like FWC or PTC is. I'm glad that FWC doesn't have the "poster problems" that EWN has.

I agree with Steve that there could be more feedback on the boards. But, that's got to start somewhere.
 
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QueenOfTheRing said:
Handlers still stick with the feds they're in even if a card is a month late, three months late, etc.

Or even five months late... :)

That's why I love FWC ... people stick around. :) In one of my PTC feds I was (as you know IM taking a break from all feds to focus on NEW .. obviously that worked out lol) ... people would get up in arms over a few days late. :p I'm talking one or two...

FWC rocks.

I love it. :)

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TheOriginalSE said:
In one of my PTC feds I was (as you know IM taking a break from all feds to focus on NEW .. obviously that worked out lol) ... people would get up in arms over a few days late. :p I'm talking one or two...

PRIME's like that. I think it's great that they try to stick to a schedule but coming from FWC I'm not about to get all pissy because a card doesn't go up on a Wednesday night or a Thursday morning.

I thought I saw Edmunds in a PTC fed, but I can't remember which one it was. Did you like it?
 

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QueenOfTheRing said:
Are you doing this to have fun or to be a part of a fed that does a lot of pretty design?
So, "a lot of pretty designs" (as you called it) can't be fun?
 

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That's not what Lindsay said, lol. A good website is pretty, but it's not the best way of deciding if you're going to join a fed. They can add to the experience, but it's what happens in the matches that makes a fed fun for me.
 

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I don't need a website to tell me whats up... and really, as a fedhead it is hard as hell to keep everything updated in e-fedding, write cards, book, and then mess with HTML that I'm not very good at in the first place.

When you tell me that you want MCW to have an updated website, you're telling me that you want me to quit my job and leave my family to take up a religious life of e-fedding.

It's just a hobby.

I sure hope you're not one of those guys who kills innocent E-fedheads... (Just had to throw that in since you said basically the exact same phrase about me killing innocent Iraqis...), lol

Josh

 

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True Life said:
So, "a lot of pretty designs" (as you called it) can't be fun?

Straws = grasping, but out of reach.

EpyonMarx said:
That's not what Lindsay said, lol. A good website is pretty, but it's not the best way of deciding if you're going to join a fed.

Thanks Karl, I always knew there were intelligent Brits floating around out there. ;)
 

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Maybe it's just me, because as web- and graphicdesigning as a hobby next to efedding I love seeing a fresh website (not only in the efed world).

@Linguistic: I told you several times that I could take care of the MCW website. ;)
 

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For one, coming into a community and asking members to give reasons why it "sucks" is a bad idea and generally is not conducive to being greeted warmly or getting your task accomplished. Spurring discussion, asking for feedback, seeing what ways we can improve... I'm all for that, but don't come off like a douche and expect people to a) take it in stride, especially when you have little to no rapport with them and b) give you the answers you want.

[/snippy dickhead]

Now, onto being constructive...

The biggest problem I see with the FWC community is not inactivity. I think it's a symptom of an even greater problem of there being too many feds open and not enough handlers to populate them. Because of that, and because most of us are friendly with each other, I think that we have a tendency to spread ourselves too thin and try and join every fed possible without giving our all to the number of feds we can humanly support and not run on fumes.

What can we do to fix it? Well, we should start merging feds. Right now, NEW, NFW and EPW all have workable rosters. LVW, MCW and UCW have rosters that are a little smallish. Then, you have WFW, which has been dead in the water for some time, but they still have a handler base that's profoundly loyal to the fed. TEAM and CSWA aren't in the discussion because TEAM, right now, is going to work as a sort of PTC-style interfed, and the CSWA has earned the right through their longevity to stay out of such discussions ;)

So what can we do? I really do think that if everyone who is active in FWC now stays active (certainly not a guarantee), we can have three or four thriving feds instead of a bunch of intermittent feds. This is where the merger idea comes in.

For one, WFW should merge into NEW. This is a no-brainer. It's almost clear that Paul can't handle running a fed day-to-day, and if I'm wrong and he can, trying to revive WFW in their current storyline mode would be disastrous. So there'd be two different solutions without having to out-and-out close the fed; 1) merge into NEW or 2) reboot. Rebooting would be akin to opening a new fed, and that would be disastrous too. Since NEW and WFW have similar handler bases already, and since Sean has been in integral part in WFW for a long time, it's only natural that he gets to absorb any remaining talent that's left in WFW and is willing to compete regularly.

Then you have MCW, LVW and UCW. Honestly, the best solution would be for all three feds to merge together. Then you'd have a thriving fed out of the handlers there already. But you also run the risk of losing LVW's and MCW's unique characters. That's a price you pay, but I understand why there'd be hesitation to do something.

EPW and NFW seem to be getting applications every day, actually, so they really don't need to have mergers into them.

I really don't have an answer for what should happen after an NEW/WFW merger, but I think something should be done.

Worrying about websites is the least of any fed's worries, actually. As long as their forums are up to date, their cards easily accessible and their RPs/promos are easy to get to, then the fed is healthy. I mean, like was stated before, WFW has thrived without any website, and LVW has done well at points without a website to support their fed.

Posers and sites are peripheral perks. Handlers, writing, matches and atmosphere... that's where it's at when looking at a fed.

Holzerman,
Who might have to modify this post and put on his blog in a day or so ;)
 

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The only thing that NFW would be allowed to merge with is a little place called HELL. And even then, I don't think Satan could handle our creative decisions.
 

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Tom,

Shane (UCW) and I (MCW) are working on just that... and Stanton (LVW) has mentioned interest in a merge as well.

Great minds think alike!

Josh
 

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J_A said:
For one, coming into a community and asking members to give reasons why it "sucks" is a bad idea and generally is not conducive to being greeted warmly or getting your task accomplished. Spurring discussion, asking for feedback, seeing what ways we can improve... I'm all for that, but don't come off like a douche and expect people to a) take it in stride, especially when you have little to no rapport with them and b) give you the answers you want.

[/snippy dickhead]

No reason to go all circumsicion on the kid.. ;)
 

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J_A said:
For one, coming into a community and asking members to give reasons why it "sucks" is a bad idea and generally is not conducive to being greeted warmly or getting your task accomplished. Spurring discussion, asking for feedback, seeing what ways we can improve... I'm all for that, but don't come off like a douche and expect people to a) take it in stride, especially when you have little to no rapport with them and b) give you the answers you want.

[/snippy dickhead]


For one, WFW should merge into NEW. This is a no-brainer. It's almost clear that Paul can't handle running a fed day-to-day, and if I'm wrong and he can, trying to revive WFW in their current storyline mode would be disastrous. So there'd be two different solutions without having to out-and-out close the fed; 1) merge into NEW or 2) reboot. Rebooting would be akin to opening a new fed, and that would be disastrous too. Since NEW and WFW have similar handler bases already, and since Sean has been in integral part in WFW for a long time, it's only natural that he gets to absorb any remaining talent that's left in WFW and is willing to compete regularly.

Then you have MCW, LVW and UCW. Honestly, the best solution would be for all three feds to merge together. Then you'd have a thriving fed out of the handlers there already. But you also run the risk of losing LVW's and MCW's unique characters. That's a price you pay, but I understand why there'd be hesitation to do something.

EPW and NFW seem to be getting applications every day, actually, so they really don't need to have mergers into them.

I really don't have an answer for what should happen after an NEW/WFW merger, but I think something should be done.

Worrying about websites is the least of any fed's worries, actually. As long as their forums are up to date, their cards easily accessible and their RPs/promos are easy to get to, then the fed is healthy. I mean, like was stated before, WFW has thrived without any website, and LVW has done well at points without a website to support their fed.

Posers and sites are peripheral perks. Handlers, writing, matches and atmosphere... that's where it's at when looking at a fed.

Holzerman,
Who might have to modify this post and put on his blog in a day or so ;)

When you are a tad burned out and have parents with health problems you have to care for, that can occupy your time. But WFW will resume shortly with the Superbowl of Wrestling... we will have a somewhat different system after the Superbowl where there will be different levels of shows in between which will have different degrees of being written out. People can consider this our CSWA or NFW like break right now ;->

Paul
 

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True Life said:
Wow, who invited the lawyer? lol Every coin has two sides and I'm 100% sure there are things people don't like or think could be better about FWC feds. I was not attempting to bash FWC, but rather to start a (maybe constructive) discussion. No reason to get your panties all the way up.

I don't think it's stupid to judge a fed by his website, as long as it's not the only thing you take under consideration.

I've never been a believer in a league having their own website. I've never even recruited anyone but Shawn Hart for WFW. It is really simply, if you run a good league, people will join.

As for apps, I may be in the minority in this, but I'm happy with the people I have, I really wouldn't want a website to call more attention to WFW to get even more people to join and I felt this way even when the WFW was half the size it is now.

Paul
 

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