login  |  Register

User Tag List

Results 1 to 5 of 5
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 1998
    Location
    Pompano Beach, FL
    Posts
    1,393
    Mentioned
    46 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    LoC: Underground V - Thoughts

    The gift that keeps on giving ... you concussions. LoC: Underground V is LIVE!

    Link: LoC: Underground V

    What did we do right?

    What did we do wrong?

    Top Face of the Night?

    Top Heel of the Night?

    On the Bubble / Who is about to break out?

    Favorite Quotes?

    Mark-Out Moments?

    How was the overall reading experience?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Location
    Arvada, Colorado, USA
    Posts
    49
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Re: LoC: Underground V - Thoughts

    I want to preface my thoughts with the fact that while I am aware of a lot of the characters, I do not know much about their story/career path. I have been reading the past few shows and am slowly starting to understand the little nuances of the grapplers.

    What did we do right?

    I believe Providence is being well established as a top villain in the company. I was kind of taken out of it a little bit with his nervous promo at the beginning, but after reading the Lindsay Troy attack and subsequent match, I'm curious about whether or not he really had anything to do with the beat down. I already like The House. They seem to be able to add a new dimension to the promotion that I haven't seen from the other characters. I liked the mid-card feud between Kaus and Youngblood. It isn't trying to do too much, and is effective in its spot. I liked the Jeremy Ryan promo. The writer seems to have a great gasp of his character. I am curious about the Underground Curse. I heard it mentioned a lot, and have no idea what it is.

    What did we do wrong?
    The set-up for Turk vs. Rune Winters seemed kind of uninspired to me. Granted, I don't understand the history of the characters, but a thrown together fight for a chance at Sylo came across as clunky. I like the individual personas, and actually was a fan of the very quick match. It made Turk look like a strong champ, but I was confused about why a commentator said there couldn't be a submission. I read later that submissions still apply on an Underground show. I am also a little confused by the Dusk character. He certainly looks like a violent unstoppable force, but his dialogue in multiple segments made him seem almost like a simpleton. I'm also not real sure about Suicide. He's supposed to be a Mysterious Wanderer, but he had a normal conversation with his niece and spoke at length about family that don't appear to be mysterious.

    Top Face of the Night?
    Lindsay Troy. Overcame an attempted sabotage, and came out the victor of a long and grueling fight with a top heel.

    Top Heel of the Night?
    I feel that Providence was the most effective heel, followed by Turk. I would consider SVJ, but his challenge to Tony Davis for the Legacy belt felt like Titus Sinclair unnecessarily putting a million dollars on the line in the main event of Ready to Rumble. Sure, the fans like it... but why would a heel do that?

    On the Bubble / Who is about to break out?
    I like The Nation. The individual characters feel a little thrown together to me, but as a group they work well. I get kind of a Straight Edge Society vibe from them. An entire stable losing to a single man is damaging, but with it being Andy Murray's return match after 5 years, I don't think they'll lose too much ground.

    Favorite Quotes?
    “But we are so fond of playing…” by The Magdalena. Very simply line, but I feel like it gives you a great idea of the character.

    Mark-Out Moments?
    Amber Ryann's promo had me laughing. I knew nothing about the character, and by the end of it I understood exactly who the writer was trying to portray.

    How was the overall reading experience?
    Aside from the occasional and strange HTML guffaw the whole show read smoothly. I feel like the various writers have a pretty good grasp on the commentators personas. I remember reading another thread where someone wasn't a fan of JCON's character changing from articulate to a thug, but with neither him nor his entourage on the show that didn't present a problem. After only a few weeks, I am engaged in the promotion as a whole, and look forward to reading more shows and segments.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Posts
    2,565
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Re: LoC: Underground V - Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Powell View Post
    I am curious about the Underground Curse. I heard it mentioned a lot, and have no idea what it is.
    I'll quickly catch you up.

    The Underground Curse has traditionally affected Underground Champions in some kind of horrible way. People have gone insane (Derecho, Sylo), others have gone on terrible losing streaks (Fanatic), Frost died during LoC's first run (but he got better!), some people disappeared for years after holding the belt (Suicide), etc.

    When Lindsay Troy won the belt, the Underground Curse transferred itself to its challengers rather than the champion. This first wave of afflicted grapplers was Monte Burns, Frost, and KIRU. Then the Walkout happened and the belt went undefended. In Troy's first match back with LoC, at Uprising, not only did the Curse affect the challenger (Dusk) but it latched onto her too. Troy has theorized this happened because, presumably, it didn't like being dormant and this is its punishment.

    Hope this helps. Feel free to send me a PM with any questions.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Location
    Arvada, Colorado, USA
    Posts
    49
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Re: LoC: Underground V - Thoughts

    Oh, thank you. That helps a lot. Far more intricate than I would have thought.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Posts
    2,565
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Re: LoC: Underground V - Thoughts

    First Thing's First
    I'M THE REALEST.

    Iggy Azalea is terrible but now you'll have that song stuck in your head, sorry not sorry.

    Nice heel monologue from the Lord of the In-Rings with some added intrigue~! with the sweat and the coughing. I think the commentators could’ve chimed in with some additional thoughts but overall a nice way to set the tone.

    Birth of an Uprising
    The segment probably could’ve benefitted from an “official LoC announcement” preceding Underground where the Team Title match was announced and instructions on how it’d be decided. I say this because the opening few lines of the seg are odd without that context. Viv and Dusk are an unlikely pairing but the reason given for them wanting to do this makes sense.

    Kudos for carrying continuity forward from Legends 18 where Dusk was digging for info on Troy and the UG Curse, and the awkward deflection in conversation to Andy Murray was a nice touch (again, carrying continuity forward).

    Aria vs. Sarah Winterton
    Winterton still needs a new hairdo. It looks like a weird Miley Cyrus top-knot type of rat’s nest and I want to burn it.

    Good recap of the Winterton/Aria beef with the commentators at the start of the match. Wanted more insight from Stone and Davis throughout. Enjoyed this overall - there were some good spots that keep showcasing why LoC’s ladies aren’t your generic #girlcharacters whose matches and segments are skim-throughs. The Bombshells division has A LOT of potential for some great stories. The Leg-DDT spot on Aria was cringeworthy. Sarah may be completely self-obsessed but when she goes HAM she’ll fuck a girl up. Nice job, Seth. Can’t wait to see where both ladies go from here.

    Star-Crossed
    Our first real taste of Big Murrr in LoC and it’s a good one. Liked the overview at the top to set up what’s to come, and what’s said in the narration about Murray being a veteran but finding himself in a whole new environment is a similar feeling that he can share with some of the other LoC first-timers (Monte Burns, LT, Viv, Dusk, etc.). Also, coincidentally, all the first-timers on that list (including Andy) are aligned under the “Face” banner. Funny how that seemed to work out.

    Speaking of Viv, her intro here was abrupt but effective. Viv’s not the kind of character who really eases well into anything (see: her entrance into LoC a couple arcs ago), whereas Big Murrr’s very much a “go with the flow” type of guy. The contrast works here and the interaction was sufficiently awkward - probably could have shortened it for greater effect but it does give those not in the know a sampling of how/why they know each other and what’s lead them both to LoC.

    +5 for the Baby Dusk Doll reference, too.

    A Matter of Perspective
    This was mine/Craiggles'. I took a stab at writing the Nation here. Judging by OtherJosh's feedback, I did a passable job. PRAISEHANDS.EMOJI

    Kaus vs. Bacon
    Much like the Aria/Winterton match, I wanted more insight from Stone and Davis throughout this one too. Kaus continues to come into his own with this “pure wrestling only” shit-heel direction. Dan writing BT was great, per usual. I also liked the added touch of BT changing his move names to fit the LoD Inc. gimmick.

    As an aside, I would’ve liked to have seen an actual LoD Inc. segment on this show, since the Legion of Dairy wound up in tag action and BT had this match. It also would’ve helped sell the Team championship match set-up.

    Lofty Conversations
    Joint effort by me, Jarrod, and Billy with a cameo by Ford and a sanity check by Craiggles.

    Bet on That
    OK so here we go with the Team Title explanation that I was waiting for the whole night up to this point (+5 for Markus). Nice to see the announcers being used. We need to do more of that, quite frankly, especially since LoC absorbed their original announce crew back in Dawn Cassidy and Donny Layne and have repackaged them into other roles.

    Poor Mills. Nearly everyone’s a dick to the poor guy. This was another good introduction to the House. I did want Zane to wonder why Mills was sent out here instead of Angie Brooks, but there’s plenty of time for Angie to try and fend off Zane’s advances and Charlotte’s cattiness.

    Legion of Devastation, Inc. vs. The Uprising
    Question: Are cHEESE and egg NOG still the Legion of Dairy when they're paired together and they represent the overall LoD Inc.? Or should they be referred to as LoD Inc. until such a time if/when that stable disbands? I ask because I had to go in and change all of the Legion of Dairy references to LoD Inc., and then I thought maybe I shouldn’t have because they could still be the Legion of Dairy.

    So, anyway, hooray for commentary throughout the match but I’ll be honest: the opening part didn’t jive with me. The "Bet on That" segment announces that it'll be LoD Inc. facing off against Dusk and Viv but Stone and Reno are shocked that it's both teams that are coming out to the ring. Harmen cashed in the Team Titles so why is it speculated that VIAGRA would be back in this match? I also don’t know if Tony Stone would know of Dusk's past knee issues but that’s a smaller nitpick compared to the other stuff. And since we all post our stuff in a submissions folder on the forums, there’s no reason why these things can’t be edited to suit what happens before.

    I digress.

    For a match that came together, essentially, on this show, Billy did a good job of working with Markus to get the House integrated into the action with some ringside asides. Good pacing here as Dusk/Viv start to find their groove as a new team and NOG and cHEESE playing the vets that just come up short.

    I Can Feel the Hands on My Back
    Whoa, Mills hitting up the Google Machine to find out about Mortal Kombat (+5 for OriginalJosh).

    This is a seemingly innocuous segment but it carries things from the previous show forward, especially since Amber doesn’t have a match on the Underground. I like that she showed up regardless. And, honestly, I want to see more segments with Amber where her feelings aren’t being used as a punching bag by Derecho and Mattock. She’s my favorite OG Josh character and I dig that her personality came through in a high-energy burst. Short but effective seg. Now, more Amber + Bombshells division participant segs plzkthnx, because I want to see if there’s anyone in that locker room she can forge a personal connection with or if she’s destined to always be LoC’s awkward little rainbow-colored turtle.

    Andy Murray vs. DV8
    or: The Cool Customer vs. the Nation’s Angry GingerMan

    Good fake-out by Big Murrr in not letting Mags have the floor to spout off more crazy, wackadoo prophesies. Could’ve used some commentary to break up the narration in the beginning but Stone and Davis do come in not long after that. Nice touch with the explanation of Murray’s mindset/approach to this match and it’s another case of a traditional all-rounder/catch-as-catch-can wrestler needing to navigate the waters of a fighting style they either flat-out don’t like or aren’t accustomed to. Compound that with this being Big Murrr’s first match in five years...it could’ve been bad timing for his return with the UG rules but, ultimately, it wasn’t.

    Super-solid match here, Andy. Good pacing, kept it moving, nice story.

    Of Dust and Mystery
    This was one of the segs I was looking forward to reading the most, since there’s a lot of LoC History tied into it. As a non-LoC Original handler, I appreciate the interconnectivity of the “old guard” with the “new landscape,” so to speak, and I’ve asked Dan plenty of questions since I started here so I don’t feel like I’m lost or missing something.

    When I read this on a first pass, I liked the intention more than the execution because Daryn’s voice felt off to me and it contradicts how she’s been presented on previous shows. After stepping away and coming back to it, I was less bothered by this because there are some interesting things at work here.

    I do think it’s strange that Suicide would tell Daryn to watch Troy’s back but in the next breath tell her not to get involved with Providence, which means not watching Troy’s back at all. And the aside about the brother felt forced.

    Anyway, this is all moving toward something and it did its job of keeping me peripherally interested in Suicide’s place in things. More to come as we keep moving through this season, I suppose.

    Groundwork
    Here we go with Big Keat and Company, which has become an unexpected treat for me this arc. I kinda want to know what Scott Riktor thinks about Keaton coming on LoC programming as much as he has and what he’s trying to do here. If you remember, these guys worked together get Turk back to the company after he lead the Walkout, and now the Architect of uW keeps popping up and spinning the Psycho’s head around in circles. Which he does very well, by the way.

    Now things get interesting with Rune Winters actually for really real showing up and...well...I’ll get to him in a minute. But apparently this is all a tease to get the Big Blue Yeti back in an LoC ring, because not only does Rune want to fight the Superbest...I mean, Superbeast...but Turk does too. For reasons unknown? Possibly More LoC History at work (around the Underground Title I think?), especially with the random aside about concussion issues (but Blitzkrieg Fighting saw no issue with it?). I need/want some more explanation here. Anyway, onto the HOSS FITE...

    Turk vs. Rune Winters
    Remember in the 90s when WWF made those Wrestling Buddies that were really just glorified pillows? LoC needs one for Fat Rune. Fat Rune and a Chibi Shovel ("it squeaks when it hits something" - Seth).

    FAT RUNE FOREVER.

    I agree with OtherJosh that Stone’s “he can’t win on a submission” comment was misplaced and, IMO, it might’ve been better if Horowitz had checked for consciousness rather than count Rune out. Still a sick way to win a match, which seems as if Keaton wanted this all along.

    The question that needs answering now is: is it enough to get the Yeti back in LoC?

    You Cheated
    Kinda thrown by Kaus calling people cowards here; might’ve been better if he had mentioned BT specifically, given his sneak attack to start their earlier match. And he won anyway so, why so salty, bro?

    Beyond that, he’s gonna try for LT’s Pop Culture Crown here, I see. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED, MARKUS. Also, shade thrown towards the Yeti. Nice.

    This blow-off match, when it happens, is shaping up to be a good one.

    Derecho/Mattock vs. Monte Burns/Laz
    *whispers “commentary” into the ether…*

    Not sure if Laz’s theme music has changed now but I thought it was “Praise” by Sevendust and, also, where was MJ? She always accompanies him to the ring.

    I like Monte and Laz as the unlikely veteran flippy-doo team and, even in a loss, this pairing has legs that could do some damage in the team division if Jarrod thought that an option. The “nuh uh uh” was a nice callback to Karma’s Collector (MISS YOU, WIL, COME BACK!). I would’ve liked to have seen some continuity carry over from the LT/Derecho match on the previous Legends, given how that ended with Derecho taking out Monte and Mattock’s apprehension in getting involved there. We do, finally, see something of a fire lit under Mattock, and he has a repeat performance with a steel chair in the Underground as he did on Legends 18. I’m waiting for Mattock to either embrace this new violence as a way to heal his emo soul, or snap out of it and tell brother dearest to fuck off. The win means this story continues while Monte Burns is on something of a losing streak now.

    This Wasn't on the List
    This was mostly Murrr and I added the end.

    It's been my intention to do a companion piece as a CutScene, which I've probably said at least three different times before, but finding motivation when I have other things that need writing/doing is posing a challenge.

    Pietro Geist vs. Jack Harmen
    +10 to Ford for the nice transition from the previous seg and for making Geist look good, all things considered.

    This match had some great commentary - Ford’s got their banter/voices down and I laughed out loud at the “cue cards” line from Stone. The one gripe I have is that the match went to a no contest when it shouldn’t have since that’s not an option in the Underground. SUPER DICK MOVE by Jacobs to hit Mary-Lynn with the belt, though. I’d be rooting for Harmen to kick the absolute shit out of him for that. On the flip-side, Jacobs may be a dick but he isn’t lying with his commentary on Jack Harmen. He’s put the onus on Harmen to not only beat him but to prove that those truths Jacobs talked about are in the past...even if he’s gunning for the Legacy title at his own partner’s (and the Team Titles’) expense.

    The Last Real Man in the Sport
    TEASER VIDEO IS TEASING.

    I can’t say too much about this other than a) it’s a nice introduction to Jeremy Ryan for those who aren’t familiar with him and a nice refresher for those who are, and b) I’m ready for him and Sonny to show up.

    /gushing

    LT vs. Providence
    Jarrod and I partnered up on this. Shouts to DEFJames for the side Russian leg sweep off the apron spot idea and, also, for sanity checking a couple other things for me.

    Other Stuff
    Match of the Night - Harmen vs. Geist
    Seg of the Night - “Star-Crossed” and “I Can Feel the Hands on My Back” (tie)
    Face of the Night - Andy Murray, Jack Harmen (tie)
    Heel of the Night - Jacobs for the cheap shot on Mary-Lynn
    On the Bubble - Sarah Winterton
    Quote of the Night - “Beerdigung from Geist! God, I’m glad Dawn made me these cue-cards.” Tony Stone said. “I mean, what an impressive maneuver, no doubt. Geist is demolishing the number one contender.”
    Mark Out Moment - Winterton’s Leg DDT on Aria

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO